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Yeah, idk why you wouldnt try different meds

Safety for the tulpa, yes.

11:02 PM

But we're still stepping on unsafe ground.

The way I see tulpas, it's not a separate thing, just another version of you.

11:03 PM

So, it's a part of you.

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So, it's not like giving someone else the illness.

11:03 PM

Having HIV+ and making a tulpa wouldnt be immoral.

11:03 PM

It's not like you are giving them the illness, it's more like you have it and are making a new part of yourself.

11:04 PM

But yeah, idk. We take a fuckton of meds to deal (edited)

11:04 PM

I have so many meds I could open a pharmacy

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its literally just a part of you

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it'd be like changing your personality.

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That isnt a new person really

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it wont cause double the suffering

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can I ask what illness you have?

11:08 PM

Okay. But what illness

11:08 PM

Schizophrenia, schizoaffective disorder?

You choose the label based on the symptoms. That's not schizophrenia

Psychosis can be schizophrenia.

You can probably tulpify one of them.

Pyschosis is a syndrome.

11:09 PM

Not an illness.

But it will probably be a lot harder than normal to determin if they are sentient.

Do you have cognitive symptoms?

They don't have a cognitive category I think.

Some psychotic illnesses do.

A major benefit of tulpifying one of them would be you'd have an ally if you need help dealing with the others.

11:13 PM

Though, reasoning with them is probably just as effective.

11:14 PM

In that case, there's no danger. And I'd hesitate to call it clinically significant.

Some pyschotic illness have cognitive symptoms.

11:15 PM

I was asking if you had any.

I'd think that delusions of any form are clinically significant

what do you mean reguile?

assuming that clinically significant means "things you should tell your doctor about"

https://www.livingwithschizophreniauk.org/cognitive-symptoms-schizophrenia/

David Bell

Cognitive Symptoms of Schizophrenia - Living With Schizophrenia

In other information sheets we have discussed the two major types of symptoms traditionally thought to characterise schizophrenia: first of all the positive symptoms such as delusions like paranoia and the hallucinations like hearing voices and s...

11:18 PM

Nah, dude.

The reason I asked was to help see if this would be an illness for a perspective tulpa.

Delusions can fuck you up

11:19 PM

Ah, okay.

Clinical means "things a doctor is allowed to diagnose you because of"

Delusions were extremely harmful to me, but of course I didn't know they were delusions at the time.

11:22 PM

Reguile, you don't think delusions can be harmful, is that what you are saying? Do you know what a delusion is?

other way

11:23 PM

I think if you have delusions you very much should probably be getting diagnosted with something

Heh, throw everyone in the loony bin then.

I don't think they are necessarily bad, but I don't see them as healthy

Oh, okay.

People with no delusions don't exist.

I misread, yeah.

11:24 PM

I was about to be like nah nigger youre just wrong

11:25 PM

Cause delusions are fucking bad and scary and fuck you up

in this context, I mostly think of delusions as "strong uncontrolled and unrelated to reality sensations that are not incredibly brief of made by an illusion or temporary hiccup"

11:25 PM

not "I think that flower is red even though it's green"

That's a hallucination

Yeah, not everyone has delusions

11:27 PM

What do you think a delusion is, tulpabug?

Hmm

11:28 PM

A false belief that is resistant to confrontation with actual facts.

Okay, and you think that everyone has clinical delusions?

Nope.

11:31 PM

Clinical delusions are a small subset

Alright, cause you were making it sound like you didn't think that delusions were bad for you.

11:32 PM

Because in this context, we were talking about psychotic delusions.

I am torn between saying that delusion means different things based on context, and that delusion is the wrong word for me to have used.

11:32 PM

I totally have used delusion to mean what you say it does, though, bug

11:33 PM

should I call you bug? I can't call you tulpa, that's too generic. Does tb work?

Either is good.

okay either

Apologies for the delay in responses.

Yeah, the context was psychotic disorders, which is important, because you suddenly start saying everyone has them, in this context, it makes it sound like you were saying everyone has psychotic delusions, and thats fine.

I would not recommend people make tulpas if they suffer from psychotic illnesses partially for the sake of any prospective tulpa, and partially for the sake of the host - see Ogigui and Koomer if you haven't before.

100% agreed

In the end, it is up to the person choosing to make a tulpa and I cannot decide it.

Well, it depends if it's chronic too

However, I do not endorse recommendations of making a tulpa to somebody with mental illness that is related and could potentially be aggravated - and if they choose to make a tulpa, causing themselves or the tulpa to suffer, they are responsible for it.

sometimes that shit can go away

Certainly.

But if you can get on meds to help

11:37 PM

and stay on the meds

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I see no issue with it

Even so - if it is currently unkonwn whether it is temporary or chronic, it still seems appropriate to not make a tulpa until you are certain and/or have another way of preventing the negative symptoms.

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Of course.

11:38 PM

If the problem is solved (or otherwise suppressed if no permanent solution is available), then there is no issue.

uh idk, negative symptoms can be bad, but I think the positive were worse for me

11:39 PM

I do think the negative symptoms have been more uh

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resilient

...if the 'positive symptoms' are bad, aren't they negative symptoms?

no

11:41 PM

Positive symptoms are like

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they uuh

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how do I say it

11:41 PM

add something to reality that isnt there

I'm assuming "positive" and "negative" are being used in different ways than in terms of value.

11:41 PM

Indeed.

like hallucinations

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delusions

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and so on

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Negative takes away something

11:42 PM

ability to show emotion proper and so on

Apologies, I was referring to positive and negative in terms of quality - as in, a symptom that lowers quality of life is "negative" as it is a negative effect on your experience.